The following is a transcript of the first segment of the Pro America Report.
Welcome, welcome, welcome. Ed Martin here on the Pro America Report. It’s Fauci day, everybody. Fauci Day.
Dr. Fauci, his newest book is out.. Exceed Your Expectations or something. It’s already, I’m told, it’s already been flagged on Amazon, maybe disappearing. People are saying that Fauci is being canceled.
We’ll talk about the Fauci emails. I haven’t examined them all, but I have an opinion, as you can imagine, on the whole situation.
And we’ll also talk with John Schlafly about the situation where they’re targeting American energy. Coming out of the White House, and they’re doing it better than ever. The targeting, I mean, because they have more regulatory power than ever.
So we’ll talk with John Schlafly. His column, along with his brother Andy, the Schlafly Report is available over Townhall.com.
We’ll talk about that, and then we’ll visit with Dr. Decker. In fact, I will ask Dr. Decker, I think I’ll get an update on China what’s happening in China. The Olympics are coming to China a year from now. The Summer Olympics, a little bit over a year from now are supposed to be in China.
A lot of talk about will the Americans attend? Will we boycott? What’s the story? And at the same time, there is a new movement amongst the Chinese. President Xi has said we need to be more lovable. Lovable is the word he used.
And I was visiting with a scholar who told me this will be about the third or fourth what they call charm offensive… specific, targeted plan to soften the image of China. We’ll see if it works. I somehow doubt it. But it’s hard to be lovable when you’re sending fentanyl. That’s what I put on Twitter.
When you’re sending fentanyl to America, that kills tens of thousands, 50-60,000 people, it doesn’t doesn’t feel lovable.
All right, so let’s talk about the story of the day. Certainly a big story. First, I will say this, if you haven’t had your emails gone through by the media and the public before, it’s a very unsettling thing. I had this happen to me when I was working for the Missouri governor in 2000 and I guess 6, 7 and 8.
And there was a sunshine request and the lots of emails and it just is simply true. You cannot convey all that you are communicating through email or text, by the way. So it’s a kind of unsettling thing.
And when you see that there’s thousands of emails under a sunshine request that are Dr. Fauci’s that are released, it certainly is… It makes you kind of go whoa. If you’ve had this experience, you’re like, Oh, man, this is torture.
There’s some in there where he’s complaining about how tired he is, and he’s talking about all these different things. And again, it’s kind of a snippet into a life of someone that’s a little bit unfair. That’s just my instinct about it. It’s not really, it doesn’t give you the full context.
However, two things come from that. One: You better not use your email for things if you know they can become public. In other words, you can’t complain. There’s no nuance later, if you’re a public figure.
It’s one of the reasons why Donald Trump is probably the smartest guy around on this. He doesn’t use email at all. So there’s no emails from him, you know, back and forth. I don’t know if Biden does. Obama did a lot. Obama did a lot, and a lot of that presidential stuff is blocked. You know, you’re not able to get it at least while the person’s President.
But anyway, so that’s number one. But the second thing is, it just does reveal some things. And with the Fauci emails, what it reveals, and I don’t think this is overstating it, is you just really can’t trust him.
Meaning he was saying things in his emails, which I will call private correspondence, that sometimes agreed with what he said in public, but sometimes clearly didn’t agree. And that he’s sort of talking to people about concerns that we certainly have now and I think we had then that weren’t addressed.
And so you can go all the way over to the one side and say he’s an absolute liar. It’s the greatest scandal ever. I’m not sure about that yet, but it certainly is true that there was a lot happening and he doesn’t come across as particularly virtuous or particularly helpful.
And here’s what you need to know. This is my opinion on this. What this is is the sort of final… two observations. One is, he certainly is riding his 15 minutes of fame for a couple of years, not 15 minutes.
And he’s an almost 80 year old man. He’s been a prominent public health official for 30 years and he’s received honorary doctorates and all this kind of stuff. So it’s not like he’s not been in the public eye, but for three years now, two and a half, I guess not 3, 2 and a half years, two years, not even three, not even two… a year and a half.
He’s been an international figure, and he’s rode that. And doing a book like the one he’s doing about lessons learned or whatever, he’s kind of milking it. He really is.
But the second thing I would say is he has, in some sense, betrayed, in some sense, just given an indication of the fact that these people in power – bureaucrats – are not all knowing. They’re not all virtuous. They’re not really that honorable in some ways. They’re very, very human.
And as I said in an interview earlier in the day, when you have the bubble burst over Fauci, a lot of us thought, well, he was playing fast and loose with the rules. We don’t know really what was true.
On the other hand, it’s it kind of stinks that the people that are supposed to be sort of honorable and serious are just not. Now it’s liberating right?
You shouldn’t take the word of all these experts anymore. You should kind of figure it out. Do your own risk management, do the balancing tests. In other words, just because so and so says it doesn’t mean you have to believe it.
It’s important for us to have sensible doubt about all these experts in all these fields. I could go into this on pharmaceuticals. People say you need this, you need that, you need the other thing. Well, slow down. On nutrition, people say you got to do this, got to do that.
All kinds of things, all kinds of things that have to do with the so called experts. Another example is education. People to tell you what you need to be educated. You know, the kind of these bureaucrats who have a sense of common core and all these things. These people are not trustworthy. It doesn’t mean that they don’t have something redeeming. Many of them do.
Many of them have part of its redeeming, part of it’s not. But you cannot trust them anymore. And the period of time where you can, the time period where you could trust them is long gone. And what Fauci’s emails sort of finally do is, I think lay bare that simple fact. That you just can’t trust the bureaucrats.
You just can’t trust what they’re doing. And if you do, you do it at your own risk. And so again, I think we’ll learn more as we get more of these emails and they get, there’s thousands of them. I read some of them firsthand, but I mostly read accounts of them.
And I would watch um, you know CNN basically says he’s the greatest man ever who’s tired from working so hard. And then Fox News is saying he’s the devil incarnate, look what he lied about and all.
And somewhere in between, I think, is clearly he was not telling us all the things that he knew about what was happening in Wuhan. And I suspect if you asked him, he would say he wasn’t under a requirement to do that. He would say I was telling you the things you needed to know.
There’s one exchange, though, where he’s basically saying to someone, masks are for people that have the disease, not for people that don’t. And he goes into a long, lengthy description of that.
That right there – I’ve always thought he was lying about the masks at various times. So at the very beginning, he was saying don’t use masks. And I was told he did that because they didn’t want to have a run on masks, you know, that they needed the healthcare workers to have them. And so that was a strategic lie.
I don’t actually hold him accountable to that. I kind of think, well, if that was true, the surgeon general, if you remember that guy who was a doctor from Indiana, somebody in Pence world, he lied to everybody’s face. He said you know, don’t use masks, they don’t work. And then later, he had to admit they did. And he kind of was faded from view because he had so clearly lied.
Fauci was a little more sophisticated, but I’ve always thought that he was when he was doing things like that, directing people in a way because of fear of a run on PPE or on the reality of remember, there was a period where everybody’s so afraid that we didn’t have enough ventilators, all that stuff.
But it looks like there’s times where he’s giving advice and really there’s no good reason for what he was doing, at least in the exchanges I saw. And so, again, there’s plenty of time and plenty of room to be sort of angry at Fauci.
I think there will be lots of that. People will have an opinion. But I think the bigger question to me is, what do we do now? Because you can’t have a world where you don’t trust anyone who’s in authority, right?
You have to have a world where you have people in your life that you can talk to and develop an idea on risk management. And if you can’t rely on the public health professionals and I don’t think you can, then you have to say, Who is it?
Is it your local doctor? Does he give you your device? People don’t have that relationship, it seems to me, with their doctor the same way.
Is it social media where somebody can be a voice? How do you build back enough confidence in institutions to make it so that people are comfortable in making the risk management judgments?
Again, I think we’ll find in history that they knew early on that children weren’t vectors. And the idea of closing schools was pure politics by the school systems. I think that will become clear very quickly.
But again, building back trust is the bigger tension, a bigger question that we have to get to.
All right. We got to take a break, everybody. We’ll be back. We’ve got John Schlafly today and Brett Decker. We’ll take a quick break and be right back.
Ed Martin here in the Pro America Report, back in a moment.