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Welcome, welcome, welcome. Ed Martin here on the Pro America Report. Hey, we have a very special interview, and I know because I already did the interview. I recorded ahead of time because I had some trouble getting it scheduled. And so it is now scheduled, excuse me, it was scheduled and I just got it in the can – an interview with a guy named Tony Lyons who started the Skyhorse Publishing Company in 2006.
And he’s been on my radar for a while, especially guys and gals people in the media who take a chance and get into a space that’s, first of all, hard to succeed at – publishing is really hard to succeed at now. And second of all, that are willing to publish things that are controversial. Tony Lyons published a book on Epstein. He published a book by Woody Allen, a memoir. Woody Allen obviously has some baggage. And now he’s published Bobby Kennedy Jr. book about Fauci.
And so we’ll talk with Tony Lyons about Skyhorse Publishing, about the Fauci book, about what the media has done. Extraordinary. The interview is amazing. You’re going to really like it’s. Almost 20 minutes. I did a double segment with him. So I’ll put it up on social media. Don’t forget, you can always go over to Proamericareport.com, Proamericareport.com and sign up there.
All right. What are we going to talk about today? Here’s what you need to know today. I told you the other day I talked about a speech by Dr. Larry Aren of Hillsdale College. And the speech was pretty powerful because it talked about sort of how you could make America, a freedom loving place, despotic. And one of the critiques of Larry Arnn, who has both the perspective as a historian as well as how to, say, a practical policy maker or someone who lives in the world of policies, run a University. He’s been on… He was on the 1776 Commission of President Trump.
Well, the basic criticism at the beginning of his speech, which I talked about at length yesterday, was if you want to tie up a nation, create this massive regulatory state that has power over aspects of our lives and power over the raising of money and spending of money. And so when you listen, for example, to the RFK Jr. book that we’ll talk about in a few moments about Fauci, what you realize is that the agency that he heads up, that Dr.
Fauci heads up, and started heading it up in 1984, and today it’s almost 40 years later. e actually worked there for about ten years, twelve years before – he’s been there 50 years. The agency has gone from being modest sized to being massive. And its massiveness is hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars – with a b – of development of pharmaceutical drugs.
And in fact, over time, to Dr. Larry Arnn’s position, his critique, the agencies that Fauci ran became dominated by a vision of how to succeed with pharmaceuticals. It’s sort of natural. And so as we talked about that, here’s the thing I wanted to ask you to think about. Here’s what you need to know today. Now, we have shown over the past five years that some of the most important entities that we trust have either betrayed us or at least been so sloppy, they’re suspect.
So you point to the FBI, where they were changing the FISA warrants or disappearing documents, the so called 302s, the notes from interviews. And over and over, you at least saw an indication that the FBI and some of the senior… Peter Strzok and his girlfriend or whatever, his paramore, were sort of hostile to the powers that be. At the minimum, they were hostile, negative. At the maximum, they were sort of working against the government. It was kind of a coup situation. We’re not sure we’ll ever know. I mean, maybe we’ll know.
But over and over again, the FISA warrants, the Mueller report, what has become clearer and clearer is agencies that we believed in, entities that we trusted, were not only violating the spirit of the law, but the law. And here comes another one of these. Just a few days ago, the NSA. You know, the NSA, and again, back to the Fauci conundrum. In describing 1984, he takes over as the head of his agency within the NIH. I don’t think it’s the whole NIH. It’s another agency within there.
And by the time it’s 40 years later today, it’s grown in its scope, it’s grown in its power, it’s grown in its money making. They make hundreds of millions of dollars in patent proceeds because the people who work there hold patents. I can’t believe this is true. If you work at a company, a private company, and you work there and you get a patent for your company, you don’t get to share in the profits of the patent unless the company has it in your contract. Right?
So say you’re a scientist and you’re working at Qualcomm, very famous company in San Diego. In fact, if you go to Qualcomm’s lobby, it’s extraordinary to walk into they have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of patents. It’s an extraordinary company. But if you work at Qualcomm, you might get your name on the patent because you’re one of the inventors, but you’re not the one who owns it, and you’re not the one who benefits from it generally, unless it’s in your contract ahead of time, unless it’s part of what you negotiate.
But now imagine working for the government and you’re in this research division, and you’re doing research for the government. And as part of the research, you’re doing research on drugs, and you’re generating drugs, and you’re getting patents. And the patents are spun out to private companies who produce them, who utilize the patents and produce them. And you, as an individual, are getting paid.
So Doctor Fauci gets $420,000 a year in salary. And on top of that receives benefits for patents that were developed while he was working for the government.So the government pays your salary, pays for the lab, pays for the test tubes, pays for the filing fee, pays for the paper, pays for the Secretary to put it together, pays for everything that has to do with the patent, and you get to make money off of it? That’s a surprise to me.
So back to this. The NSA, the National Security Agency, like the Fauci Agency, like the Fauci effect, has grown since the 80s since it was designed into this behemouth, when initially the NSA was very narrow, it was going to be something that using electronics (generally) to survey. And the NSA has become this massive, massive entity. And originally it was going to be sort of to eavesdrop on communications. And now it’s just this massive thing because of technology mostly.
But as the technology expanded, sort of like Fauci and the scientist, as the technology expanded, so, too, did the expansion of the agency. So you went from saying in the 1980s “oh, we got these three drugs,” now you’re doing hundreds and hundreds of trials and all this kind of stuff. Over at the NSA, they have an Inspector General released a semiannual report. So at least twice a year they do this report. And it basically says the NSA is abusing its statutory authority in terms of surveying and surveilling the people in this country.
So the agency that is statutorily created – with guardrails – it’s in the law, the guardrails about how you can’t survey the American citizen without certain kinds of protections, without going to court. All the kinds of search and seizure protections, but specifically in the statutes.
And now it’s not even hidden. By the way, this is just the stuff we know. The Inspector General says. Yeah, they’re not abiding by the law. Yeah. Okay. What now? What now? And let me be clear, this is just what we know. So ten years ago we watched – eleven years ago, twelve years ago, maybe? We watched as Obama’s IRS was caught using their agency power against citizens, targeting them for politics. Not entirely uncommon in the host of human endeavors in politics and governing.
Jay Edgar Hoover, when you went back and looked at history, he was targeting people all that. So I’m not saying it’s unique. What I’m saying is the size and scope of the power of the NSA, of the FBI, of the CIA is bigger than it’s ever been. And this is just what we’re seeing.
So when you watch and we’ll listen in a few minutes to this interview with Tony Lyons about the book on Fauci by RFK Jr. And if you listen to that whole book, I’ve been listening to the book on tape. I either read the book or listen to the book on tape. That’s what I’ve been doing. Audible. You will be stunned to realize again, not so much what they’re doing. I think that’s impressive and striking and startling. But the scope of what they’re doing, the amount of what they’re doing is just unbelievable.
And it’s the same thing over at the NSA now. And this is just what we’re seeing. So now take that and multiply that all across government. I mean, we are at a crisis point and the question again becomes what is it you can do to reverse this? Now, at various times there was something called the Church Commission. You may remember hearing about that. That was, the Church Commission was set up in order to take a hard look at some of the intelligence failures.
And the Church Commission was named after a Senator. The Senator Church. I think he might have been from Idaho. Frank Church? Yeah, from Idaho. And it was a select committee and it looked at the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, and the IRS. I’m looking at it now, the notes I had on this and it was set up in ’75 and that was… Ttwo decades, three decades before that, there was a Reese committee and the Reese committee was set up to examine the nonprofits, the foundations in the country that had become conduits for money, for spending in a way that looked like it was especially promoting anti-American, pro-Communist stuff.
So we have a history of these committees, but then we have the January 6 Committee and we have these impeachment committees over the last five, four years that are just a joke. And so I don’t think people think Congress is serious to take this on. But back to my point. We’re not talking about 1960 where you had an agency that had a $10 million budget and 650 employees. We’re talking now about agencies in the health, National Institutes of health.
They have thousands of employees, all told, all of our health agencies, all the different categories in the federal government. We’re talking about hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars. You now have 17 or 18 intelligence agencies all backed up and next to each other and interlocking, supposedly coordinated, (probably not) spending hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. I don’t know if it’s into the billions – probably is – with thousands and thousands of employees.
How do you unwind this? What you need to know is the good news is we’re seeing this for the first time, maybe clearer than ever. Let me say it differently. The good news is, what you need to know is the good news. We’re seeing all of this clearer than we ever have before. Some people have seen this before and talked about it, but we’re seeing it clearer than ever.
The bad news is what are we going to do about it? That’s the real challenge. All right. e got to take a break, everybody. Ed Martin here on the Pro America Report. Please visit proamericareport.com, proamericareport.com. Sign up there for the daily WYNK. We’ll be right back, Ed Martin, ProAmericaReport.com.